Prima/Sola Scriptura

[rolandjs]

Would anyone be interested in an ambassadorial discussion concerning Prima Scriptura or Sola Scriptura?

If so, I will be happy to advance my Idea and practice, and the let the discussion begin!

Roland

[Mystic Rose]

yes let us discuss this, with us working on the board at the same time tho the conversation may be slow going... As convos are on this board already LOL

MR

[rolandjs]

I'm way behind on some things.
As soon as I ketchup and can pass the mustard, I'll post my first hotdog here!

Roland

[rolandjs]

Ok, for those of you who don't mind reading bits and pieces of this very thread topic on Catholic Defender's Community apologetics forum:
catholicdefende.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=47

Let me quote myself from the opening thread post.

--------------begin quote--------------------------------
"What's a layman's definition of sola scriptura?
Sola Scriptura
--Scripture is the only infallible rule of faith.
[bolded to indicate Sola's linkage to the word "infallible,"
not to the word "only"]
Emphasis on the word infallible.
--Scripture is not the only rule of faith,
but it is the only infallible rule of faith.
All other proposed standards for doctrine or practice
must be judged in the light of Scripture."
[See my addendum below]

"What's a layman's definition of solo scriptura?
Solo Scriptura
--This term was coined to distinguish the view of Scripture held by many Protestants today
--the view that Scripture is the only rule of faith
--from the view promoted by the Protestant Reformers in the 16th
century. Solo Scriptura says that all we need is the Bible, that no creeds
or catechisms or ecclesiastical authority have lawful places in our
doctrinal thinking, but that each individual alone with his own copy of
the Bible is able to figure everything out all by himself and for himself."
[end Timothy G. Enloe quote from my harddrive text file]

Prima Scriptura is in my book a better bannerflag (name).
Prima, to me, is a better label than SolA.
TGE and I agree on SolO - it's bad Latin and bad practice.
My goal and practice: Prima/SolA, staying away from SolO.
And, I, Roland, much prefer to work with PrimaS as a lifelong process, rather than a doctrine.
Yes, the above is a quote, however, I fully accept TGE's wording as my own, and I practice same pretty much as he wrote SolA.

Addendum: To me, the process of Prima Scriptura can and will include magisteriums (teaching authorities) such as, but not limited to, references, dictionaries, encyclopedia, different English translations, different Bible Study systems and annotations, Catholic catechism/Comp and so on.
------------------end quoting myself---------------------

Ok, let th ediscussion begin!
I prefer we stay on this topic, and avoid bringing the hugies tradition, history, documentation into this thread. Let's make sure I was clear on what I believe and practice -- hopefully heading off assumptions.

Roland

[Mystic Rose]

Woah back up Roland .....Even I a an apologist am mystified by that post.... Can you better explain what you mean in it please.

Lovingly In Christ
Debi

[rolandjs]

admin said:

Woah back up Roland .....Even I a an apologist am mystified by that post.... Can you better explain what you mean in it please. Lovingly In Christ Debi

Hi Debi!

I just now realized I haven't been in here awhile and missed your gracious question & comment!

Let's do this: let's take this in bits and pieces.
Within my quote, there are four paragraphs.
Pick your first puzzling-to-you paragraph and let us begin there.
We'll do one at a time.

Roland

[Mystic Rose]

What's a layman's definition of sola scriptura?
Sola Scriptura
--Scripture is the only infallible rule of faith.
[bolded to indicate Sola's linkage to the word "infallible,"
not to the word "only"]
Emphasis on the word infallible.
--Scripture is not the only rule of faith,
but it is the only infallible rule of faith.
All other proposed standards for doctrine or practice
must be judged in the light of Scripture."

Hopefully you are still around Roland so share about the first paragraph please

[rolandjs]

Mystic Rose wrote:
Hopefully you are still around Roland so share about the first paragraph please
rjs replies:
Yes, I'm still around, however, because of eye troubles, I don't go to the boards much at all like I used in the past.

Now, let me try to re-explain Tim Enloe's definition.

For me, layman's definition of Sola Scriptura is better explained as layman's definition of Prima Scriptura rather than Sola Scriptura.
Many believe Sola means "only scripture."
To me, the word Sola is tied to the word infallible. Meaning: Sola infallible, not only scripture.

Scripture is not the only rule of faith -- there are numerous other rules of faith: Tradition, tradition, experience, study, consultations with learned clergy/laity, resources, references, etc.

Scripture is the only infallible rule of faith, that is, the Word of our God, as originally delivered to His writers, that is beyond question.
Now, I realize that translations, from Latin, Greek, Hebrew - Chaldees[?spelling?], German, English, and so many other languages must be prayerfully and carefully read and thought-thru.
On the stick of Literal [one end] to thought/paraphrase [other end], are numerous English translations, have more than one to study; again, must be prayerfully and carefully read & thought-thru.

All other proposed standards for doctrine or practice
must be judged in the light of Scripture.
I have altered my stance about this in the light of both study and experience. I think we must be careful to tautologize:
Word of God [originally breathed] == English translations

Roland