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Post by Theotokos on Jul 12, 2005 18:42:12 GMT -5
Bump - Does anyone know the difference between a doctrine and a dogma?
Is a dogma proclaimed to be infallibly either by an Ecumenical Council or a Papal decree (ex cathedral)?
Is a doctrine a belief that must be obeyed?
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Post by karenmarie on Nov 14, 2005 21:51:25 GMT -5
Good question. From what i remember there are 4 D's...Dogma, Doctrine, Discipline and Devotion. Dogma and Doctrine are both something that MUST be obeyed if I am not mistaken. Maybe someone else has more on this..
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Post by Mystic Rose on Nov 20, 2005 11:53:32 GMT -5
Both must be obeyed as both are taken to be believed and submitted too ....
The difference with Dogma though is that there is no more discussion the Doctrine is set .... defined and there will be no more argument allowed on it .... It stands as is and there are no variances to it ....
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Post by Mystic Rose on Nov 23, 2005 2:50:16 GMT -5
Ok now I am going to bring in the catechist for you Brian on this one because Purgatory is not one of my strong suits and something that at this time I personally take on Faith myself because I do not debate it so therefore my studies have not brought me into that area yet ...
I am recalling Joe to this site please ....
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Post by Mystic Rose on Nov 23, 2005 3:02:11 GMT -5
quote author=Brian Daniel board=Welcome thread=1126405584 post=1132717753]Hi Deb,
Isn't a doctine more of a theory, such as limbo, whereas a dogma is something that cannot be disputed, such as the Holy Trinity?
God bless,
Brian Daniel[/quote]
Oops, my bad. I meant to post on the thread that had this:
BTW, what is my username? I seem to have forgotten.
God bless,
Brian
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Post by Brian Daniel on Nov 23, 2005 11:48:26 GMT -5
Or would it be better to say that a dogma is a doctrine, but the word dogma has a connotation of certainty?
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Post by Mystic Rose on Nov 23, 2005 13:35:54 GMT -5
Or would it be better to say that a dogma is a doctrine, but the word dogma has a connotation of certainty? Actually yes, this would be a better way of saying actually thank you Brian.... That was a clearer and more concise way of putting it. Lovingly In Christ Mystic Rose |
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Post by Patchsigns on Nov 28, 2005 11:10:09 GMT -5
Here is the definition of dogma....
When this word is applied to Catholic teaching it refers to a formal statement of doctrine, as contained in divine revelation, concerning faith or morals, made by the Pope as universal teacher, or by an ecumenical council in union with him. The preparation of such statements may be carried out by normal theological studies, but when it is finally issued in accordance with the above mentioned conditions it is guaranteed infallible. The word definition is used because this statement indicates the limits of our belief and shows us that there is no appeal against it either now or hereafter. It binds all the faithful at all times and is not subject to revision.
A definition is not the statement of a new belief, but is simply a declaration that the doctrine in question has always been a part of that teaching which Christ has handed down. Sometimes the doctrine has been explicitly held from the beginning and the process of definition simply takes place due to some attack being made on the doctrine by heretics. At other times it may be that the truth has always been implicitly believed, that is to say, that it is contained obscurely in revelation, and now after its clarification and definition must be held explicitly by all. This process of definition employed by the Church is simply the practical expression of that guarantee of infallibility given by Our Blessed Lord to His Church, so that it might be the safe custodian of His message which is intended for all people. A Catholic who obstinately refuses to give his assent to a truth which has been defined falls into heresy. Catholics, however, should note that this formal or strict definition of a truth is not necessary to constitute a teaching of the Church which should be believed. Certain truths not formally defined do fall under the ordinary teaching-power of the Church and this in itself is sufficient to command the assent of the faithful.
Hope this helps some....
Blessings,
Joe
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Post by Debbie on Jan 22, 2006 11:34:51 GMT -5
Doctrine can evolve and is not voted on yet as Dogma.
Dogma does not evolve, it is, what it is. A dogma is doctrine that was voted on by the Archbishops (Vatican) to become Dogma. I pray this is helpful.
Both Doctrine and Dogma needs to be obeyed and upheld as truth.
Limbo is not doctrine or dogma, but more of a discipline, which can be changed or added to.
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