Condemning the Errors of Martin Luther - Exsurge D

[Theotokos]

admin said:

The ideal is Unity for all remember as that God's call not ours and that is the agenda we seek

I want whatever is best for the Church as a whole

Do not play me against my Latin Brethren .... I am still in alignment with Rome

Yes, you and your Latin Brethren are under the Patriarch of Rome.

And I am under the Patriarch of Antioch. So I am called an Antiochian Christian.

[Theotokos]

I don't want to debate in this thread. So perhaps we should agree to disagree once again.

[Schola]

I think the concept that we are not 'Roman' Catholics is modern invention for those of us in the Latin rite. Unless we are to say the Church decided to embrace what Jimmy Akin suggests we never called ourselves.

[Mystic Rose]

peterpaul said:

I think the concept that we are not 'Roman' Catholics is modern invention for those of us in the Latin rite. Unless we are to say the Church decided to embrace what Jimmy Akin suggests we never called ourselves.

I do not disagree with this, I do however because of the philosophy here think that using Latin as opposed to Roman if it may be found offensive to some of my Brethren at times should not be a problem for this board.

I also would have liked this thread to actually talk about the errors of Luther, since we are unable to talk of them at TBTSNBN. Instead, however this Bull was used as a springboard for someone else to prove a point to me in public, which should have been done in private.

What was said in this was important and should be discussed not because he said ROMAN but because of the contents of it in it's entirety.

[Theotokos]

admin said:

peterpaul said:

I think the concept that we are not 'Roman' Catholics is modern invention for those of us in the Latin rite. Unless we are to say the Church decided to embrace what Jimmy Akin suggests we never called ourselves.

I do not disagree with this, I do however because of the philosophy here think that using Latin as opposed to Roman if it may be found offensive to some of my Brethren at times should not be a problem for this board.

I also would have liked this thread to actually talk about the errors of Luther, since we are unable to talk of them at TBTSNBN. Instead, however this Bull was used as a springboard for someone else to prove a point to me in public, which should have been done in private.

What was said in this was important and should be discussed not because he said ROMAN but because of the contents of it in it's entirety.

Dear Mystic Rose:

I realized after I had cut and paste this Papal Bull , that I needed to make an opening statement, because someone once posted that it was rude to post a document and then not post any comments.

I was going to post an OP and let you discuss the errors of ML, so I started to read the document to come up with a nice OP, but the first thring that struck me was that Pope Leo X mentioned the "Roman Church."

And it really struck me, because I was always told to say "Roman Catholic Church" and never "Roman Church" as that was considered derogatory. So here was this pope using "Roman Church." I was thunder struck. Was he a Protestant in disguise? No, he was attacking the first Protestant, so to speak.

Now discussing the use of "Roman Catholic" vs "Latin Catholic" vs "Vatican II Catholic" was a hot topic in TBWSNBN - wasn't that thread eventually shut down?

And then there was this thread about "Roman Catholics" in the Orthodox section of TBWSNBN and some Catholics got quite upset, so that thread was eventually locked.

So, there are a lot of topics we might discuss here in this board that we really cannot over there, and the proper way you guys want to be addressed is important as there still seems to be no concensus.

I felt that this topic needed to be discussed because I find "Latin" to be a negative term too, now that the Byzantine Catholics are trying to undo all the latinizations.

Vatican II Catholic is kind of derogatory also to some Catholics, especially for those who don't like what Vatican II had to say, and I am referring to the more traditional Catholics who don't necessarily have to be of the SSPX persuasion. I know a lot of Catholics who just didn't see the need for Vatican II as no new dogmas or doctrines were revealed.

So that leaves us back at the beginning.

The word "Catholic" by itself refers to all of us who hold the Nicene Creed isn't that true. See how confusing this topic can be?

[correcting those typos again - ;D ]